Paris-Wengen(day-trips to Jungfraujoch & Murren)-Interlaken-Lucerne(Mt Rigi day-trip)-Venice-Milan

Hi,

Eight of us of 2 families (4 adults, 3 kids of 10, 9 and 7 and one 2 yr old) planning a 2 weeks trip Through Europe.
Starting in Paris on 8/1.
Then traveling to Wengen from Paris on 8/4.
Making a day trip from Wengen to top of Jungfraujoch on 8/5.
Another day trip to Murren from Wengen on 8/6.
On 8/7 Wengen to Interlaken in the morning...
On 8/7 evening Interlaken to Lucerne.
On 8/8 or 8/9 from Lucerne to Mt Rigi and back. (boat , Coagwheel Train, Cable car trip)
On 8/10 Train from Lucerne to Venice, Italy.

We already bought the 2 Eurail Select passes for families for $1760. Then when we tried to book Paris to Wegen, Wengen to Interlaken, Interlaken to Lucerne, Lucerne to Rigi Klum and back, Lucerne to Venice the reservation charge for 2nd class was around $732 that brought our total close to $2500.
When checking price for individual trips for the same without pass it comes close to $1700 so we thought we'll cancel Eurail pass.
Both of these (with our without Eurail Select Pass reservations) did not cover trips to Jungfraujoch, Murren and boat / cable car portion of Rigi.

So The BIG Question is how much of Jungfraujoch, Murren and Rigi Trip is covered in Eurail select pass ? If boat and cable covered in Eurail Select pass? If not should we buy tickets for international trips separate and then use Swiss Pass to roam around Europe?

Which option is most cost effective???? Please help we are very confused...

Thanks,
TJ
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  • Forgot to mention last leg of our trip 8/13 from Venice to Milan.
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  • Jeff (Official Rep) June 19, 2015 20:38
    Hi TJ.

    A connection from Paris to Wengen would take about 6 to 6.5 hours in duration and involves at least 3 train changes along the way; once in Basel, once in Interlaken, and then once in Lauterbrunnen.

    A Eurail Select Pass that includes France would valid for you to receive a rate called the 'Passholder 2' on the train from Paris to Basel (high-speed 'TGV Lyria' train).

    You would purchase tickets at a 'Passholder 2' rates for a 'TGV Lyria' train from Paris to Basel by clicking on 'Book your Rail Pass Reservations' on our homepage (instead of 'Find Fares & Schedules'), entering the route, and indicating that you'll be traveling with any rail pass that includes France.

    To ensure that it's a 'Passholder 2' rate you're being quoted when you pull up the results of your search, you would click the 'View' button for the cost listed under your preferred class of service for your preferred departure. After you click the 'View' button, a box will expand out underneath. In this box, you would refer to the option(s) listed under where it says 'Ticket Flexibility' and click 'Read More'. When you click 'Read More', the name of the fare should display as something like 'TGV Lyria Passholder 2'. Generally, the Passholder 2 rates for these trains would be the 'Semi Flexible' option under 'Ticket Flexibility'.

    A Eurail Select Pass (if it includes Switzerland) is then valid to cover trains from Basel to Interlaken ('InterCity' or 'InterCity Express' trains). Reservations are not necessary on the trains from Basel to Interlaken, so the Eurail Select Pass is all you would need to board.

    In contrast, a Eurail Select Pass is not valid to cover trains from Interlaken to Lauterbrunnen ('Bernese Oberland Railway') and trains from Lauterbrunnen to Wengen ('Wengernalpbahn'). Instead, you would have to purchase separate tickets locally to cover these trains. By showing your Eurail Select Pass, you would be able to receive a 25% discount on these tickets.

    A Eurail Select Pass that includes Switzerland covers as far as Interlaken on the way to Wengen/Jungfraujoch. While it would not cover the segments between Interlaken, Wengen, and Jungfraujoch, it would enable you to receive a 25% discount. If you have a Eurail Select Pass, all you would have to do to receive this discount is purchase the '1 Day Round-Trip Journey from Interlaken - For Use Only With Eurail Pass Which Includes Switzerland' option of a pass called the 'Jungfraujoch Top of Europe'.

    This would cover you on the 'Wengernalpbahn' cogwheel railway from Wengen to Kleine Scheidegg and the the famous Jungfrau railway from Kleine Scheidegg to Jungfraujoch. Reservations are not accepted for any part of the trip between Wengen and Jungfraujoch. The 'Jungfraujoch Top of Europe' is an open voucher that you would use to hop on any of these trains on the journey up to Jungfraujoch and back within a time period of 24 hours.

    Since the 'Jungfraujoch Top of Europe' is only valid for a period of 24 hours, you wouldn't be able to use it for your inbound to Wengen when you come from Paris the day before. Instead, as I alluded to above, you would have to purchase separate tickets locally to cover you on the train from Interlaken to Lauterbrunnen and the train Lauterbrunnen to Wengen when you arrive in from Paris.

    To get from Wengen to Mürren, you would first take the 'Wengernalbahn' to Lauterbrunnen, where you would switch to the 'Grütschalpbahn' cable car to Grütschalp. In Grütschalp, you would switch to the 'Mürrenbahn' to Mürren. Once again, you would purchase separate tickets for these segments locally, because the Eurail Select Pass would not be valid. However, by showing the pass, you would be able to receive a 25% discount.

    If you wish to make the trek up to Schilthorn while you're in Mürren, you would purchase the '1 Day Round-Trip Journey From Murren - For Use Only With Eurail Pass Which Includes Switzerland' option of the 'Schilthorn/Piz Gloria' pass. This would cover you on the 'Schilthornbahn' from Mürren up to Schilthorn and return back to Mürren within a time period of 24 hours.

    To get from Mürren to Interlaken, you would first take the 'Wengernalpbahn' again to Lauterbrunnen, where you would switch to the 'Bernese Oberland Railway' to Interlaken. A Eurail Select Pass is not valid on these trains, so you would purchase separate tickets locally, and you'd be able to receive a 25% by showing the pass.

    Your Eurail Select Pass would then cover you from Interlaken to Lucerne. Reservations are not necessary on the trains from Interlaken to Lucerne, so the rail pass is actually all you would need to board. Trains from Interlaken to Lucerne run along the GoldenPass scenic line.

    The Eurail Select Pass would only cover you as far as Arth Goldau on the way up to Mt Rigi from Lucerne. Therefore, you would have to purchase separate tickets locally to cover you on the 'Arth-Rigi-Bahn' from Arth Goldau to Rigi Kulm, the 'Vitznau-Rigi-Bahn' cog railway from Rigi Kulm down to Vitznau, and the boat on Lake Lucerne from Vitznau back to Lucerne. With the Eurail Select Pass, you would once again be able to receive a 25% on the 'Arth-Rigi-Bahn' from Arth Goldau to Rigi Kulm, the 'Vitznau-Rigi-Bahn' cog railway from Rigi Kulm down to Vitznau, and the boat on Lake Lucerne from Vitznau back to Lucerne.

    The most feasible connections from Lucerne to Venice throughout the day take about 7 hours in duration and involve 2 train changes en route; once in Arth Goldau and then once in Milan. A Eurail Select Pass that includes Switzerland and Italy is valid to cover such a connection. The trains from Arth Goldau to Milan and Milan to Venice would just require reservations in addition to the rail pass.

    For travel with the pass, you would purchase reservations by clicking on 'Book your Rail Pass Reservations' on our homepage, entering the route, and indicating the type of pass you'll be traveling with. You would do one search for trains from Arth Goldau to Milan ('EuroCity' trains) and another search for connecting trains from Milan to Venice (high-speed 'Frecciabianca' trains). You would then do the same for a 'Frecciabianca' train from Venice back to Milan.
    • Jeff (Official Rep) December 29, 2016 17:03
      Update:

      With regard to the excursion up to Jungfraujoch, reservations are now possible for the Jungfrau Railway segment between Kleine Scheidegg and Jungfraujoch. In fact, as a supplement to the ‘Jungfraujoch Top of Europe’, reservations are now highly recommended on the Kleine Scheidegg-Jungfraujoch segment for travel between the months of May and October. The Kleine-Scheidegg-Jungfraujoch reservations can be purchased locally at the preceding stations in Interlaken, Grindelwald, Lauterbrunnen, and Wengen; as well as the nearby station of Mürren.

      Reservations are still not accepted for the segments between Interlaken and Kleine Scheidegg, whether you take the route via Grindelwald or the route via Lauterbrunnen. Therefore, the ‘Jungfraujoch Top of Europe’ would be all you’d need to board for these segments.
    • Jeff (Official Rep) April 20, 2018 17:31
      Update:

      As of April 2018:

      ‘Passholder 2’ and ‘Passholder 3’ rates on TGV Lyria trains (Paris-Basel) are no longer valid. TGV Lyria now requires that Eurail Passes include all countries being traveled through to be valid.
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